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		<title>Comment on Macro Micro Checklist by &#187; Three Useful Task Sheets - weblog.masukomi.org</title>
		<link>http://weblog.masukomi.org/2010/03/04/macro-micro-checklist/comment-page-1#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Three Useful Task Sheets - weblog.masukomi.org</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Three Useful Task Sheets by &#187; Macro Micro Checklist - weblog.masukomi.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Macro Micro Checklist - weblog.masukomi.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on On creating my own language by kirkjerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkjerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would mitigate it as &quot;kind of a chore&quot;, or use something domain-specific, like &quot;boilerplate&quot;...

I guess I&#039;d say &quot;modern, popular, real&quot; languages are all about equally as expressive - I suppose languages that grew in isolation and/or in a constrained social context might be less - they might have a bit more grace in expressing certain things -  I&#039;m trying not to be totally chauvinist - but to not have a concept of time seems to be like the ones that count &quot;one two three many&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would mitigate it as &#8220;kind of a chore&#8221;, or use something domain-specific, like &#8220;boilerplate&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;d say &#8220;modern, popular, real&#8221; languages are all about equally as expressive &#8211; I suppose languages that grew in isolation and/or in a constrained social context might be less &#8211; they might have a bit more grace in expressing certain things &#8211;  I&#8217;m trying not to be totally chauvinist &#8211; but to not have a concept of time seems to be like the ones that count &#8220;one two three many&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on On creating my own language by masukomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>masukomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;chore&quot; has lots of negative connotations like the one you pointed out. Imagine what would happen if you started describing the boring work that all coders have to do from time to time as a &quot;chore&quot; to your boss. He&#039;d think you were resentful towards having to do them. 

I would agree that most languages are roughly equal in expressive power BUT that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re all capable of expressing the same things. There are languages, for example, with no real concept of time. How would you discuss something that happened a week before last Tuesday in a language with no concept of time? Some languages have a concept of time that is reversed from English&#039;s. To access the past we go back in time, they go forwards. 

A time-free language simply can&#039;t discuss many of the things we take for granted in modern society. And if you tried to use English in a time-free manner you&#039;d just confuse people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;chore&#8221; has lots of negative connotations like the one you pointed out. Imagine what would happen if you started describing the boring work that all coders have to do from time to time as a &#8220;chore&#8221; to your boss. He&#8217;d think you were resentful towards having to do them. </p>
<p>I would agree that most languages are roughly equal in expressive power BUT that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re all capable of expressing the same things. There are languages, for example, with no real concept of time. How would you discuss something that happened a week before last Tuesday in a language with no concept of time? Some languages have a concept of time that is reversed from English&#8217;s. To access the past we go back in time, they go forwards. </p>
<p>A time-free language simply can&#8217;t discuss many of the things we take for granted in modern society. And if you tried to use English in a time-free manner you&#8217;d just confuse people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On creating my own language by kirkjerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkjerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15108609 -- neat piece on different languages - some similarities to this

I was going to reply to your blog but somehow it got misplaced or i changed my mind earlier.

You wrote:
&lt;cite&gt;We don’t really have a word for work that you do that is simply undesirable, like washing dishes. You don’t really &#039;toil&#039; at washing the dishes, and it’s not really a hardship. It’s just undesirable work.&lt;/cite&gt;

I was wondering if &quot;chore&quot; would fit the bill. I guess it might have some unintended implication, it&#039;s association with childhood, or kind if implies a likely reputation (though often not, as in &quot;man, this assignment turned out to be a real chore&quot;)

And I guess that&#039;s a counterthrust to this essay- most languages are (or so I&#039;ve read) roughly co-equal in expressive power, the main difference is in what you HAVE to say. Sure it&#039;s cool to be able to say in a word what you might otherwise need a phrase for, but I still enjoy digging into the nuances of English more than looking outside, or inside in the case of conlang (of course I&#039;m a lazy and poor memorizer, soI might be sour-grapesin&#039; it &lt;- fun idiom, that, and I love that English lets me verbify it.)

I admit my word for water would be less &quot;lelea&quot; and more &quot;blursh&quot; but maybe that&#039;s just me. (Or maybe Kirklang should use the word bloors for standing water, and blurk for frozen. crap, now you got me doing it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15108609" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15108609</a> &#8212; neat piece on different languages &#8211; some similarities to this</p>
<p>I was going to reply to your blog but somehow it got misplaced or i changed my mind earlier.</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
<cite>We don’t really have a word for work that you do that is simply undesirable, like washing dishes. You don’t really &#8216;toil&#8217; at washing the dishes, and it’s not really a hardship. It’s just undesirable work.</cite></p>
<p>I was wondering if &#8220;chore&#8221; would fit the bill. I guess it might have some unintended implication, it&#8217;s association with childhood, or kind if implies a likely reputation (though often not, as in &#8220;man, this assignment turned out to be a real chore&#8221;)</p>
<p>And I guess that&#8217;s a counterthrust to this essay- most languages are (or so I&#8217;ve read) roughly co-equal in expressive power, the main difference is in what you HAVE to say. Sure it&#8217;s cool to be able to say in a word what you might otherwise need a phrase for, but I still enjoy digging into the nuances of English more than looking outside, or inside in the case of conlang (of course I&#8217;m a lazy and poor memorizer, soI might be sour-grapesin&#8217; it &lt;- fun idiom, that, and I love that English lets me verbify it.)</p>
<p>I admit my word for water would be less &quot;lelea&quot; and more &quot;blursh&quot; but maybe that&#039;s just me. (Or maybe Kirklang should use the word bloors for standing water, and blurk for frozen. crap, now you got me doing it)</p>
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		<title>Comment on On learning Na&#8217;vi (or any &#8220;fictional&#8221; language) by Matthew Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While dinking around with na&#039;vi I was inspired to (but haven&#039;t finished) writing a Ute-lite, i.e. a sort of constructed, simplified version of Ute, a slowly dieing american indian language of the south west. Conlangs may be what saves a small number of languages from complete loss from memory and use.

This is something I can do, while asking me to move to Ignacio, Colorado and join the Ute community is something unrealistic. And standing by and just watching the languages disappear doesn&#039;t seem to be too helpful either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While dinking around with na&#8217;vi I was inspired to (but haven&#8217;t finished) writing a Ute-lite, i.e. a sort of constructed, simplified version of Ute, a slowly dieing american indian language of the south west. Conlangs may be what saves a small number of languages from complete loss from memory and use.</p>
<p>This is something I can do, while asking me to move to Ignacio, Colorado and join the Ute community is something unrealistic. And standing by and just watching the languages disappear doesn&#8217;t seem to be too helpful either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On learning Na&#8217;vi (or any &#8220;fictional&#8221; language) by Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for being &quot;that guy,&quot; but my Korean mother would disown me if I didn&#039;t correct a slight inaccuracy in your post: King Sejong did not devise Hangul; it was created by the realm&#039;s best linguistic scholars at his behest. He did, however, invent an incredibly accurate water clock...

Sejong financed the creation of a language entirely separate from Chinese because he didn&#039;t want his kingdom beholden to the Chinese in such a fundamental way. Case in point: Japan, whose language actually requires an integral knowledge of Chinese. Language is power.

Regarding learning Na&#039;vi (or Klingon, or Elven, or Esperanto for that matter)... if it makes you happy, do it! Who cares what people think? Thanks for a thought provoking post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for being &#8220;that guy,&#8221; but my Korean mother would disown me if I didn&#8217;t correct a slight inaccuracy in your post: King Sejong did not devise Hangul; it was created by the realm&#8217;s best linguistic scholars at his behest. He did, however, invent an incredibly accurate water clock&#8230;</p>
<p>Sejong financed the creation of a language entirely separate from Chinese because he didn&#8217;t want his kingdom beholden to the Chinese in such a fundamental way. Case in point: Japan, whose language actually requires an integral knowledge of Chinese. Language is power.</p>
<p>Regarding learning Na&#8217;vi (or Klingon, or Elven, or Esperanto for that matter)&#8230; if it makes you happy, do it! Who cares what people think? Thanks for a thought provoking post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On learning Na&#8217;vi (or any &#8220;fictional&#8221; language) by Jeff Sheets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Sheets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  And there are even Old Masters of game design and programming, despite being so young an art form.  Think Chris Crawford, Richard Garriott, John Carmack and more.  Many people play games solely for the fun of it, but many games are in fact artistic creations, whether it&#039;s in the efficiency of a game crammed into an older platform with minimal memory (e.g. Elite), graphical beauty (The Dig, or Riven, Myst 3, etc.), or even storytelling abilities in such a variable medium (Baldur&#039;s Gate).  My current personal favorite is Dwarf Fortress... Sort of a mix between old Rogue-like games, The Sims, and unstable, neurotic, potentially psychotic dwarves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  And there are even Old Masters of game design and programming, despite being so young an art form.  Think Chris Crawford, Richard Garriott, John Carmack and more.  Many people play games solely for the fun of it, but many games are in fact artistic creations, whether it&#8217;s in the efficiency of a game crammed into an older platform with minimal memory (e.g. Elite), graphical beauty (The Dig, or Riven, Myst 3, etc.), or even storytelling abilities in such a variable medium (Baldur&#8217;s Gate).  My current personal favorite is Dwarf Fortress&#8230; Sort of a mix between old Rogue-like games, The Sims, and unstable, neurotic, potentially psychotic dwarves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On learning Na&#8217;vi (or any &#8220;fictional&#8221; language) by kirkjerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkjerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Well, I wrote a new Atari 2600 game in 2004, in Assembly language... maybe it&#039;s something akin to that :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Well, I wrote a new Atari 2600 game in 2004, in Assembly language&#8230; maybe it&#8217;s something akin to that :-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on On learning Na&#8217;vi (or any &#8220;fictional&#8221; language) by Jeff Sheets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Sheets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kirkjerk
For Conlangers, Klingon learners, Quenya learners, Sindarin learners, Na&#039;vi learners... There is at least one more reason to learn a language:
4. Because we appreciate the beauty, intricacies, and mind blowing revelations of languages.
For us, it is like a unique art form.  Just like sculptors and painters have their Old Masters, so to do we conlangers: J.R.R. Tolkien, L.L Zamenhof, Mark Okrand, etc.  I&#039;ll be blunt... I have little interest in, nor can I appreciate, some of the more surreal sculptures and paintings that have been made over the years... and yet, they are art.  So, too, are the languages we create, for ourselves that few others will ever see, for dreams of international communication, and for works of fiction.  And, of course, for the sheer artistic qualities of language itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kirkjerk<br />
For Conlangers, Klingon learners, Quenya learners, Sindarin learners, Na&#8217;vi learners&#8230; There is at least one more reason to learn a language:<br />
4. Because we appreciate the beauty, intricacies, and mind blowing revelations of languages.<br />
For us, it is like a unique art form.  Just like sculptors and painters have their Old Masters, so to do we conlangers: J.R.R. Tolkien, L.L Zamenhof, Mark Okrand, etc.  I&#8217;ll be blunt&#8230; I have little interest in, nor can I appreciate, some of the more surreal sculptures and paintings that have been made over the years&#8230; and yet, they are art.  So, too, are the languages we create, for ourselves that few others will ever see, for dreams of international communication, and for works of fiction.  And, of course, for the sheer artistic qualities of language itself.</p>
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